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Navigor Identity Theft

Seeded on Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:11 PM EST
Read ArticleArticle Source: Navigor Website forum
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Seeded by Sally50
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Navigor is the National Vigilante Organisation based in the UK and headed by Albert Hurwood. Its claim to fame/infamy/ridicule is that it was mentioned in a humourous column in The Guardian, a national newspaper. My intention is to highlight the slipperiness of the founder of this site. He bans free speech and controls the forum like his own personal X box.
I signed up for an account only to be banned because he did not agree with my views. Nothing abusive or contrary to the forum rules. I then found that he had not only deleted my posts but assumed the username and started posting as that!
This happened a further 3 times. The link is to one named Todd, for which I have an email as that member only to have it taken away!
I would urge peole to try to register and post messages and see if freedom of speech is alive.
He did at one point publish a list of IP addresses and threatened to contact anti-spamming bodies. He seems to have removed this when threatene with legal action.

I'd be interested to see what other people think. I think I should just ignore him but I don't like hypocrisy and being labelled a spammer.

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Sandie SewardExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Hi Sally, interesting post. I agree with you regarding Albert Hurwood's ideas regarding Freedom of Speech. I also have posted on the Navigor Forum, and he deleted a couple of my posts. A Forum should be a place where all the members can state their views, openly and without censorship.
This man has taken his own rather bigoted views, and has tried to pander only to those members who agree with them. He does not take any kind of criticsism very well, and I am not really surprised to read your post here concerning Navigor.

There are other Forums and Sites on the Net which will allow you the Free Speech you desire.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:37 PM EST
FoundyououtExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

At it again Albert. Sally, mention his support of the BNP and you'll really attract his ire. There are suggestions Navigor is nothying more than a BNP front. Guess people will have to decide for themselves. His inability to tolerate any form of debate, let alone criticism, does not reflect well. As well as these allegations of assuming identities (also detailed on the mailwa\tch forum) he also appears to adopt pseudonyms such as Peter Smart and Michael Wallace/Wallis.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:56 PM EST
FoundyououtExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

For anyone who's interested: http://bigdaddymerk.co.uk/mailwatch/forum/viewtopic.php?p=29566#29566
Newsvine have also taken action against these muppets (or possibly muppet, singular) for self seeding. Stand up Kev Hartley, Susan Groves, Michael Wallis-Hurwood.

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:01 PM EST
Sally50

Well, it all seems beyond me. i'm just after answers. would be nice if the prson himself answered for himself. He is welcome to post here (unlike on his site which I think is past its sell by date)

I just don't understand it at all. He says it is a Vigilante organisation but then does not do anything except moan. It may well be a racist thing but who knows?

Now I see why the Guardian ridiculed his site. I would not want to be a member of a site that made me look foolish. I haven't felt this stupid since I put a bet on George Michael to marry Princess Diana.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:39 PM EST
kevhartleyExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Hi Sally - or is that Raskalnikov?
Because on the MAILBOTCH site he claims to be Todd not you!
I think you should click on your "Read Article" button and see what has been happening on the forum!
Also read the "EXPOSED - THE LIES ABOUT US" board, because you've all been well and truly outed!
INCLUDING ALL THE TIT-HEADS ON YOUR SO-CALLED "PRIVATE FORUM" BOARD!
Tough luck TIT-HEADS!

  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:36 PM EST
FoundyououtExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Hello Kev, or is that Albert. So difficult with all those Nazigor alter egos flying about.
As for tit-heads. Well, we're no sheep following a BNP numpty into crazy vigilante land. Your number is up. As for the Exposed board - what a hoot.
Now then, why has Aldert not answered if he is or has ever been a BNP member?
Why does he also post as Peter Smart and Michael Wallis/Wallace? Answers on a swastika mate.

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:07 PM EST
FoundyououtExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

and why has his useless deceitful Newsvine article got comments switched off. It's like being on the Nazigor site; no critical debate allowed.

  • 2 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:08 PM EST
Sally50Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

It's what we expect from Hurwood. Aldert, if you look at the Mailwatch site you will see there is honest debate about the issue. You will not allow it. You just call people scum all the time like a little bully. You are welcome to post here as whatever u want (Kev!) and I will not edit it. What does that tell you?

  • 2 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:17 PM EST
Sandie Seward

Sally, it seems that you have opened a can of worms here. I'll tell you something, it's certainly a hell of a way to get out of The Greenhouse!

  • 1 vote
Reply#9 - Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:25 PM EST
johnson36

You and others seem to be conducting a personal campaign against this member, who, has not, as far as I can see, broken any of Newsvine's Terms of Service (TOS).
This is the fifth time I have found evidence of what seems to be a campaign of personal vilification against another member of Newsvine.
I now intend to check all your postings and comments and if I find that this is so, I will report both you and anyone else acting in concert with you to Newsvine!

  • 8 votes
Reply#10 - Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:39 AM EST
Sally50Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

it is not a personal campaign on my part. i hope i have not broken ant tos. to be brief the idea is to seed interesting posts from this particular site and those connected with it. incidentally this means there will be differing opinions, you will note that comments are not edited or closed. the reason for this is the q of free speech something which dos not appear to have been allowed on the navigor site. the owner may make spurious claims but there is no evidence.
what is better...freedom of speech or denial? obviously if people used this just to make abusive withot foundation commens then that would be wrong. i don't even suggest that just cos hurwood accuses every detractor of being scum as justifying the same against him.

i'm just after answers. also, he has a habit of changing posts and posting as banned people. by seeding originals people may see what he is capable of.

please tell me if there are any other things you feel is inappropriate.

thanks

  • 1 vote
Reply#11 - Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:39 PM EST
johnson36

Well in that case why does your button lead directly to the Navigor Forum?
Where a story totally refutes everything you and your group on here seem to be claiming.
It also has a link to a "Mailwatch" forum, where "Baht At" says:"I've reseeded his post on newsvine so comments can be made" and the link leads to a post called "The lunatic speaks"
However that post was made on this site by someone called "navigrrr" who has already been thrown off Newsvine earlier today because of the abusive posts he made.
But I note there is someone else also called "Baht At" on this site in the friends list for "navigrrr"
And that your friends list contains "navigrrr," "Baht At," "Sandie Seward" and "foundyouout" two of whom have also posted abusive messages on here.
I have also seen evidence on the Navigor Forum that someone else called "raskalnikov" also claims to be "Todd" even though this person together with Albert Hurwood were actually both on the Navigor Forum when I followed your link to it.
I have also checked all of "foundyouout's" posts on here and all they seem to do is attempt to attack just one person; the same person you also seem to be attacking: Albert Hurwood.
You also have a closed group called "bootoalbert."
So I'm afraid that no matter what you may say, this seems to be a conspiracy with the sole intent to deliberately attack just one member of Newsvine with whose views you seem to disagree.
Especially since four of you all seem to have joined Newsvine together and seem to be acting in concert.
As I say a deliberate conspiracy, using Newsvine to attack one person.
Beacuse of this all your posts will be reported to Newsvine.

  • 8 votes
Reply#12 - Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:52 PM EST
johnson36

Well in that case why does your button lead directly to the Navigor Forum?
Where a story totally refutes everything you and your group on here seem to be claiming.
It also has a link to a "Mailwatch" forum, where "Baht At" says:"I've reseeded his post on newsvine so comments can be made" and the link leads to a post called "The lunatic speaks"
However that post was made on this site by someone called "navigrrr" who has already been thrown off Newsvine earlier today because of the abusive posts he made.
But I note there is someone else also called "Baht At" on this site in the friends list for "navigrrr"
And that your friends list contains "navigrrr," "Baht At," "Sandie Seward" and "foundyouout" two of whom have also posted abusive messages on here.
I have also seen evidence on the Navigor Forum that someone else called "raskalnikov" also claims to be "Todd" even though "Todd" and Albert Hurwood were both on the Navigor Forum when I followed your link to it.
I have also checked all of "foundyouout's" posts on here and all they seem to do is attempt to attack just one person; the same person you also seem to be attacking: Albert Hurwood.
You also have a closed group called "bootoalbert."
So I'm afraid that no matter what you may say, this seems to be a conspiracy with the sole intent to deliberately attack just one member of Newsvine with whose views you seem to disagree.
Especially since four of you all seem to have joined Newsvine together and seem to be acting in concert.
As I say a deliberate conspiracy, using Newsvine to attack one person.
Beacuse of this all your posts will be reported to Newsvine.

  • 8 votes
Reply#13 - Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:53 PM EST
FoundyououtExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Wouldn't be a member of Nazigor would you Johnson old bean?

BTW Albert is Michael Wallace who has self-seeded here. Please get righteous about that breach of TOS. Ditto Kev Hartley and Susan Groves.

Remember that Albert does not allow dissent or proper discussioin on Nazigor. By linking through to here, a debate could be had, should Albert have the balls to do so. He's also been invited onto Mailwatch, an open forum, to discuss the issues his tiny vigilante mob raise. If he want to promote Nazigor here and elsewhere as an organisation open to all and hosting a public forum then he's really going to have to get his act together. Because at the moment his behaviour is incredibly suspicious, as is his previously declared BNP support.

  • 2 votes
Reply#14 - Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:29 AM EST
Sandie SewardExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

I speak as I find. Firstly, let me put the record straight. I am NOT involved either with the much ridiculed Mr. Hurwood, secondly, I am not now a Navigor poster. Yes, I'll admit to joining what I thought at first to be a worthy site, that would try to fight street crime in our towns and cities, but I quickly realised that a lot of the posts on there were getting very nasty, and it was not the type of site that I wished to be associated with.
Hope this clears things up for you, Johnson36. If you wish to check out my Navigor posts, (those that Albert deemed worthy of being left there), look under my "Alias" of "gericom".
Hope this helps you.
As for the "four of us" joining Newsvine at the same time, forget it. If we did, it certainly wasn't intentional, because until I joined here, I had never met these people either virtually or in reality.
I choose to reply to Sally 50's post simply because I was looking into The Greenhouse, and found it. Because of it's subject matter, I found it interesting having had some rather acrimonious encounters with Albert Hurwood.

    Reply#15 - Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:19 AM EST
    johnson36

    I have looked at your posts on the Navigor forum; there are 23 of your posts on there.
    It also says underneath your name that you have made 23 posts, so obviously, if you are indeed "gericom," none of your posts have been removed.
    And since some of your posts could be considered extreme I cannot see what you found so distasteful about the Navigor forum.
    And I have also been to the "Mailwatch" forum where "Foundyouout" boasts of "hounding" Albert Hurwood from this very site.
    Hardly the action of someone who wishes to engage in "discussion."
    But then none of you seem to wish to engage in anything but deliberate slurs on another member of Newsvine.
    And perhaps "Sally50" can explain why both she and "raskalnikov" claim to be this "Todd"?
    But more than that Newsvine is not here for you to carry out your own personal vendetta against another member.

    • 8 votes
    Reply#16 - Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:42 PM EST
    Sandie SewardExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    Believe me, Johnson36, I have no intention of doing so. I did not even realise that Albert was even a Vinenews contributor.
    I have far more important things to do with my time than to waste it on being vindictive on a person whom I don't even know, and this includes your good self.
    I would not use a site like Newsvine to do so, even assuming this was my intention. I have my own forums and blogs which I could use for this purpose, should I choose to do it.

    Twenty Three of my posts, eh? Was it really as many as that? Anyway, thanks for checking up on them for me, (saves me the bother).

    The day that Navigor is taken seriously, will be the day I may reconsider my views on Albert and his Navigor Gang. Until that day, (if it ever comes), I'm prepared just to live and let live. After all, we're all entitled to express our opinions, even you!

      Reply#17 - Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:28 PM EST
      johnson36

      Really, so can you explain why you went HERE with "Foundyouout" and "Sally 50" to launch a personal attack on MichaelWallis and not the story he Seeded in July, over 4 months ago?

      • 8 votes
      Reply#18 - Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:31 PM EST
      Sandie SewardExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      Look at the date on THAT post, and you will see that it is dated Nov28 @12.25am. It was a pure coincidence, and not intentional.
      Anyway, it's not really any of your concern is it..........unless YOU'RE Albert Hurwood!!!!!!!

      I have looked at a lot of your posts also, my friend, and it seems to me that all you are doing here is causing trouble.

      This is my last response to you, so go away and bother somebody else. (Hopefully not on Newsvine!)

        Reply#19 - Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:58 PM EST
        johnson36

        You didn't answer the question.
        Why did you think it appropriate to attack MichaelWallis at all and not comment on the story he seeded.
        After all you post almost every day on Newsvine and know, or should know, their policy.
        You have also commented on many other stories without descending to personal abuse.
        And if you have nothing to hide why are you, like "Foundyouout," descending to abuse and personal attacks on me?
        And unlike the other members of your group my intention is not to cause trouble, merely to find out why you are "hounding" another member of Newsvine.
        And I think it is the concern of everyone on Newsvine if you and your group are using Newsvine to pursue a personal vendetta aginst another member.

        • 7 votes
        Reply#20 - Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:11 PM EST
        Sandie SewardExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

        Please, let's just get this straight, can we?
        I was invited to join that group, I was not getting at Micheal Wallace, and I have had quite enough of this silly and rather childish conversastion.
        I joined Newsvine because I take a real interest in the News, and Current Affairs, and I wanted to contribute a little about these issues, to people who have similar interests. I did not join Newsvine to become engaged in a flaming war with you, Hurwood, Wallace, or anyone else.
        No, please go away, and leave me to concentrate on the "real" issues of the day, and not some petty-minded argument like this has become.
        Capice????

          Reply#21 - Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:22 PM EST
          johnson36

          So why do you talk about "outing" Navigor ('Thanks, Foundyouout for the "outing" of Navigor.') on that particular seed?
          That certainly suggests a personal vendetta.
          And perhaps you could document the "rather acrimonious encounters with Albert Hurwood" that you speak about, because as far as I can see from reading your posts on the Navigor forum, the only time he had a mild disagreement with you was over the question of drugs which he does not support.
          And that was hardly "acrimonious."
          And you continued to post after that so you could not have considered it that serious.
          So why suggest it was something more than it was if not to cast further aspersions on Mr Hurwood's character?
          And why not bring your concerns into the open on the Navigor Forum and attempt to discuss them if you are such a believer in free speech.
          Why suddenly use this group to launch such an attack?
          Other people seem free to discuss various things on there, so why not you?
          It is no good saying that you would have been banned when you didn't even give Mr Hurwood a chance.

          • 8 votes
          Reply#22 - Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:03 PM EST
          Sandie SewardExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          This is my final reply to you on this subject. I do not have to explain myself to you. You are not an Administrator of this Site, nor are you a person with whom I wish to continue a discussion with.
          My views regarding drugs are quite frankly, none of your business. I am not casting aspersions on Mr. Hurwoods character , on here, or anywhere else online.
          I have not "used this group" (nor any other) to launch any attack. All I have done was to read Sally's post, and comment on it.

          As for my posting ANYTHING on the Navigor Forum. You must be joking!!! At least, I certainly hope you are.
          So, you can return to your Navigor buddies, and tell them, and Mr. Hurwood, all about the "fun" you;ve had in winding up those people on Newsvine.

            Reply#23 - Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:39 PM EST
            FoundyououtExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

            Ooh, Johnson we are touchy aren't we. Gosh, such a spirited defence of Nuttygor. So you are a member and/or Hurwood himself? Let's be clear. Hurwood and his tiny posse floooded local newspaper sites with its odious vigilante promotion so if you think I'm ashamed of "hounding" the sad fart, you is wrong. As for Sandie attacking Michael Wallace. He is Albert Hurwood. Same rules apply.

            Bring concerns to the Navigor forum? Hah, you are a wag. As you well know, any form of dissent, any suggestion that hanging/flogging/birching/castrating/beating/summary justice is not a pragmatic way with dealing with crime, any suggestion of supporting anything other than a Far Right agenda, any suggestion that crime rates are not defined by Daily Mail reporting, are quashed by one Albert Hurwood aka Michael Wallace, aka Michael Wallis aka Peter Smart. Could possibly be aka Johnson36 but you need to work on your CAPITALS and exclamation marks!!!!!

            • 1 vote
            Reply#24 - Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:23 AM EST
            ben1973

            "Foundyouout" I should bring to your attention that insulting other members of Newsvine is not an explanation of your behaviour.
            Neither is it acceptable behaviour on here.
            If you cannot accept this perhaps you should leave and carry on with your arguments and innuendos somewhere else.
            As Johnson36 has already told you this site is to comment on News stories, not to impugn the character of other members.
            And comments like "so if you think I'm ashamed of "hounding" the sad fart, you is wrong." merely prove that he is right about your motives.
            Motives which have no part on here.
            Either behave, stop your "hounding" of other members or leave.
            We really don't want your kind on here.

            • 7 votes
            Reply#25 - Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:27 AM EST
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